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.22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177? 
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Post .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
I have the opportunity to buy a near mint R10 Mk1 at a good price. I had a go with it at the range this evening and it shoots accurately although the magazine indexing was not great. It also comes with the single shot adaptor.

I also have the chance to get a Beech Scorpion SE in .177 for about the same price as the R10

Bearing in mind that I hope to do 20yd target shooting, HFT and, ultimately, a spot of hunting and can only afford one gun to do the lot I'm torn as to which way I should go.

Everyone so far is telling me to go .177 but heck, that R10 is a thing of beauty.

What do you guys advise?

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:57 am
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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
hi mate all i can advise is go for the one that feels right for you i think that there won't be a lot of difference between the .22 and the .177 shooting targets at 20 yards both will be just as acurate but if your going to go for longer ranges then the .177, this is also good enough for hunting aswell
i shoot .22 for both hunting and targets but jim (casey) shoots the same rifle in .177 the main thing is it all depends on how it feels to you
your the one thats got to shoot it

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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
in my experience mate that mag indexing problem will drive you up the wall, especially in the hunting scenario. had to get rid of my brand new at the time ultra multishot for that exact reason, and that was with the new style magazines. its the one main fault id come across, something id have thought would have been rectified years ago. a jammed mag out in the field or at the range either way is not good. i got a single shot scorpion in its place and it was faultless.
hope you find this some help, just my experiences.
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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
If you're hoping to shoot HFT then I'm sure that the .177 is the way to go. I've never done any HFT shooting but I'm pretty certain that most shooters would use .177 by choice even if it's not a requirement for that discipline.

As far as hunting goes, Adie has already mentioned that I use .177 now and I get great results and one-shot kills......and a lot of them!

I used .22 calibre air rifles for many years and they were fine, but my first real hunting air rifle way back in the late 1950's was a Webley MK3 in .177 and I always remembered just how accurate it was. I now have 2 PCP air rifles in .177 and I would never go back to .22 for hunting. They kill every bit as well and they are generally more accurate and have a much flatter trajectory than their .22 counterparts.

Having said that, it has to be said that confidence plays a really important role in accurate shooting, so you need to have confidence in whichever rifle you choose.

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Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:48 am
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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
Thankyou all for the replies. It's steeled my nerve to hang on for the .177 although I have to say I was worried by Keith's tale of indexing trouble with the latest BSA mag I thought it was generally accepted that they had nailed that problem :(
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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
Hi Phil, you already know what I am going to say on this :wink:

However, as has been said previously it is what ever you feel most comfortable with. If you are having indexing issues it may well be worth finding out if it's a late Mk1 or not, if it is a change of mag might just do the trick but again that is more money (or you can try mine up at the Greyhound)!

Accuracy wise you will be about the same out to 30yrds (best hunting range). .177 may well be better for you if you are looking at HFT as your main sport with hunting as a second.

The other thing to consider is how many shots you want to a fill, more on the R10 especially as it is in .22

Give me a shout if you want a chat :wink:

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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
If you decide on the .22 then in HFT comps you will probably be in the bottom 1 every time :P

Id choose the marksmans calibre .177 :twisted:

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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
Thanks Pete and Scorch.

Maybe it's unrealistic to try and do all this with one gun although the idea behind doing some HFT was to learn to shoot doing something closer to hunting before moving onto the real thing so it's hunting 1st HFT 2nd rather than the other way around.

I believe the R10 is an early one and certainly it has the old style magazine. A new style mag may well sort out the indexing problem but I would be a bit gutted if I spent another £40 on a new mag and it didn't sort the problem. Even so I was very taken with it. It handled well, was comfortable and the accuracy was great.

As you can probably tell my heart is telling me to buy the R10 but my head is saying no. Actually my heart is telling me to buy them both and my bank manager is saying no is closer to the truth. Is this how air gun collections start? :?

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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
Your problem is simple, buy a hw100 and have done with it. Best mag system in the world in my opinion, superb accuracy and top notch German build quality.
Checkout si pittaway on YouTube and you'll see him demonstrating its amazing ability.
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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
Hi Phil, I have to say that my .177 scorpion single I had was one of the most accurate rifles I ever owned, it got me some of my best kills it is an exceptional bit of kit, a nice flat trajectory it's also quite a light rifle.
Then you have the R10 mk1 they are a beautiful looking rifle but the early ones had several problems, all of which were sorted in the later models I have no experience of the R10 but I have owned 2x S10"s and the scorpion BSA do make a good rifle (if maybe a bit agricultural) I personally would go the Scorpion route IMO

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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
having spent nigh on thousands over the last few years on every good looking all singing and dancing rifle new to the market, id definately always go back to the air arms s400/s410 which ironicly was my first choice. cant be bettered in my opinion all round, even by my new huntsman.if budget is an issue, one of these will match any rifle three times its cost!!
welcome to the dilemma of pre chargers, itll be costly!!!!!!!!

seriously i hope you find whats best for you, this is just our honest and hopefully helpfull feedback on our experiences.
atb, keith
p.s ill never get rid of my s410, others may come and go but its just superb in every department

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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
cogspinner wrote:
.......welcome to the dilemma of pre chargers.......

Oh yes, too many choices for sure.
Thanks to all for your comments and suggestions.


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Post Re: .22 R10 or Scorpion SE .177?
scorpion for me too mate,,i had the earlier scorpion t10,,,fantastic rifle,,i never ran out of shots in a hunting trip and the gun was light enough to carry all day without a sling,,never had one blip with the mags either.
very very accurate as most bsa tend to be i have found

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